Mr. Webb: 0:00

Is it possible to have a colorblind society, given the prevailing narrative of diversity, equity and inclusion and critical race theory in today's academia? Is DEI and CRT really racist? Does systemic racism really exist, and how far have we fallen away in America from Dr King's vision of judging a person by their character instead of their skin color? Welcome to The Conservative Classroom, where we're teaching the truth and preserving our values. I'm your host, Mr. Webb, and I'm glad you're here. This podcast is a haven for conservative educators, parents and patriots like you who believe in the importance of free speech, traditional values and education without indoctrination. Each week, we dive into issues that are plaguing our education system and keeping you up at night. In each episode, we offer common sense ideas to improve education in our classrooms and communities. You may feel like you're the last conservative educator or parent, but I want you to know that you are not alone. By the way, if you like what you hear today, please share this podcast with a like-minded educator, parent or patriot. Together, we can teach the truth and preserve our values.

Mr. Webb: 1:29

In today's episode, we have a conversation with a university professor and author who sheds light on the reality of DEI, crt and systemic racism in America. We also get to learn about his new book on the subject. Now let's get started. Today, I'm excited to welcome a special guest to the conservative classroom, Dr. Andre Archie, associate professor of ancient Greek philosophy at Colorado State University. Dr Archie is here to discuss his book "he Virtue of Colorblindness. Dr. Archie, thank you for joining us. Dr.

Dr. Andre Archie: 2:08

Archie. Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it, dr.

Mr. Webb: 2:11

Archie, To start, can you tell us a bit about yourself, your background and what led you to delve into ancient Greek philosophy?

Dr. Andre Archie: 2:20

Dr Archie? Yeah, so that's a really good question. And in writing the book the Virtue of Colorblindness, I sort of thought back, sort of reflected on my development. And so, to begin, I was born in Kansas City, missouri. We moved to Colorado. I say we, my mom and my sisters, my parents divorced before I was born. So it was about a year, one year, I think, about year one. We moved to Colorado, to Denver. My mom thought that there were more opportunities for her and for her children. I think she was correct on that score.

Dr. Andre Archie: 2:55

Dr Archie, raised in Denver proper, went to local elementary school, middle school, high school. You know we went to church on Sundays, sometimes reluctantly, like most kids, but you know, looking back on it, it was very formative. I learned a lot in terms of faith, et cetera. Perhaps we'll get into some of that. And so my upbringing was fairly standard. I would say we weren't wealthy at all, sort of working class. My mom introduced us to opportunities that we took advantage of. She was very conscious of our flourishing as individuals. She was very curious, we also. We were very curious.

Dr. Andre Archie: 3:52

I ended up following my sister, who wanted to be a vet, to Colorado State University. So she was there, I followed her. She ended up doing other things, leaving the state, but I ended up enrolling as a freshman in college at Colorado State University, which is where I teach now. So it's sort of full circle. I ended up going after my undergraduate years at Colorado State University, I got my master's and PhD from DeKane University in Pittsburgh and then during that time I studied abroad at the Institute of Philosophy in Louvain, belgium, and so I had a great educational experience.

Dr. Andre Archie: 4:34

And just to back up a bit, when I was in college at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, colorado, about an hour north of Denver, I met a couple of individuals, one in particular. His name was Bill Hervey and I talk about him in the book, but he was very influential in terms of my being introduced to the Greeks and ancient political theory. So that really laid the groundwork for my interest in the ancients Plato, aristotle, cicero, etc. So that was really the beginning, and it wasn't until I went to graduate school did that interest sort of blossom in a way that has been very influential for me as a scholar and for my personal life. And so, to make a long story short, once I got my master's and PhD, I was writing my dissertation took me a couple of years.

Dr. Andre Archie: 5:36

I kind of messed around a little bit. Probably should have finished it up sooner, but in any case I ended up applying for a position at Colorado State University, my alma mater. They just so happened they were looking for a Greek specialist. I interviewed and I got the position and so, like I said, it's sort of full circle Got my undergraduate degree there, went off to the East Coast, got my master's and PhD and then ended up back in Colorado. So that's a little bit about my background, sort of the beginnings of my academic interest, and so that sort of accounts for where I am today.

Mr. Webb: 6:15

So what led you from from teaching ancient Greek philosophy to writing your book? So the book is how to divert you of colorblindness. So tell us what is in your book and how did philosophy influence what you decided to write that book?

Dr. Andre Archie: 6:40

Yeah, so I've always been interested in ideas. Obviously, I'm a philosopher of ancient Greek philosophy, so I think ideas are extremely important, and so, over the years, I've taught various courses in political theory. I'm also African American, so I'm sensitive to discussions in the public square regarding race, regarding equity, regarding equality, and how those issues intersect in terms of our founding, our founding principles, and so my interest and at the time it was only an interest I wanted to well, I started thinking about well, this is an awesome combination. So we have African Americans who have benefited from a tradition in which there are certain principles that have been instrumental and they're being treated equal before the law. Of course, it was a struggle and there's nothing perfect. We continue to realize that ideal that all men are created equal, all people are created equal, or at least equal before the law. Right, because it doesn't guarantee equal outcomes, and I don't think it should. So these principles were always attractive to me, both in terms of ancient Greek philosophy, in terms of the African American quest to be treated equal before the law, and my interest in public discussions, things that are taking place, discussions that are taking place in the public square. So I started writing articles, book reviews, tying these threads together, trying to tie them together in such a way that we can understand, or at least try to understand, the trajectory of our discussions regarding race and identity, and education and equality.

Dr. Andre Archie: 8:58

So this book tries to weave each of those conversations into sort of a fabric which I think most people can find something in there that is appealing. It might be provocative or upsetting, but nonetheless I try to make the case that ultimately in the public square needs to be a common narrative and that common narrative is what makes us Americans in terms of basic beliefs, regarding basic principles that this country was founded upon. Because if we're reading off of different pages in terms of principles, I think that leads to the sorts of discussions that we hear today, both in academia and in other institutions, even in corporate America. I think they've been captured by DEI diversity, equity and inclusion, anti-racism. So each of those racial ideologies, dei etc. Are trying to offer a narrative that's counter to the narrative that I'm promoting in my book.

Dr. Andre Archie: 10:12

And again, that narrative that I'm promoting is grounded in our founding American principles and I show how these principles informed Frederick Douglass' quest to get African Americans to be treated equal before the law. He sort of anticipates what MLK does, and they each do this by appealing to the Western philosophical tradition. And so I tie all of these threads together and I think I make a pretty compelling argument in the book the Virtue of Colorblindness. And so, to make a long story short again, I think my book is compelling precisely because the discussions that are being taken place in the public square is in need of a counter narrative, one that doesn't simply focus on race.

Mr. Webb: 11:17

Let's go back to Dr Martin Luther King Jr and his vision of basically a colorblind society, and he wanted everyone correct me if I misstate anything here he wanted everyone to be judged on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin. I feel like that was a pivotal moment and I can't figure out how we got from that to where we are today. And I know you've heard the term reverse racism. It seems like the racism just goes in a different direction nowadays, but it's still racism. So how did we get from Martin Luther King Jr's vision to where we are today? It seems like we're so far away from that.

Dr. Andre Archie: 12:14

Yes, we are so far away from that, and we shouldn't give up hope, because I think that a good number of Americans are starting to see exactly what you just spoke about in terms of once upon a time, it was uncontroversial to talk about being colorblind and wanting to be colorblind. I mean, I'm of a certain generation, perhaps you are too. That was. The ideal is to judge a person by the content of their character, not by their ethnicity, their color, and that was something that was sort of drilled into us. Now, that doesn't mean that we're ignorant of the past Not at all but we shouldn't be hampered by our past, we shouldn't be imprisoned by our past. We can be quite aware of it. And so, again, this idea of a common narrative becomes so important. And so the story that I tell about Frederick Douglass and Dr Martin Luther King speaks to that narrative of color blindness, not being ignorant of the past, but judging people based up on their actions, their character. Now, that doesn't mean that we can't appreciate ethnicity, right? I like jazz, but I recognize that jazz is universal. Anyone can play jazz, not just black jazz musicians, right? I mean that would be absurd. And so, to answer directly your question, I think we started to shift in a very pernicious way in the 80s, because there we had multiculturalism, and I'm not talking about recognizing cultural particularities. We have St Patrick's Day, we have a single demyel, I mean all of that's fine, but I'm talking about the hard edge multiculturalism in which groups want to be recognized. We don't recognize groups in terms of our founding, our principles, our constitutionalism. We recognize individuals and of course individuals can work together in groups. But when you look at that second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, it's individuals, the pursuit of life and liberty and happiness. We're talking about individuals. And so I think in the 80s we started to turn away from that tradition and we got some of this inkling of what we have today. We got some of it during the OJ Simpson trial. Now, notice so, oj Simpson trial, and then we have George Floyd.

Dr. Andre Archie: 15:13

So during the OJ Simpson trial we had this doctrine called critical race theory. It sort of emerged out of critical legal studies but it was sort of a marginal theoretical body of ideas. But I don't know if you remember, but during the time there was talk of jury nullification because a group of scholars, many of them African American or people of color and some white scholars argued that well, the system is rigged against OJ Simpson in that case, but against these defendants in particular because of their race, and so you've got discussions there of jury nullification based upon race, so the jurors would not perform there or should not perform their duty, because the system overall is stacked against these defendants of color African Americans in particular. So if you fast forward a bit you get more inklings of this, as we got the unfortunate killings of several African Americans, and the most famous, of course, or the most infamous, is George Floyd. And so I think these ideologies, in particular critical race theory, emerges out of the academic shadows and it really sort of dominates the public square. It dominates academia still today, corporate boardrooms, the legacy media, and so I think when you combine critical race theory, the idea that America systemically racist and that the only way that African Americans can advance in American society is if that advancement is allowed by an upper middle class white population along with working class whites, and so what I'm rehearsing for you is a theory called interest convergence, and this is Derek Bell, the father of critical race theory, and so I have a chapter devoted to that idea.

Dr. Andre Archie: 17:32

So the idea is that, for example, in 1954, when we have Brown versus Board of Education, when that decision was handed down, which outlaw separate but equal, derek Bell says, well, that was only made possible because it serves the interest of white people. And he says, well, it serves the interest of white people because during the time so we're talking about late 50s, early 60s during the time you had these third world countries emerging from colonialism. And so we have democracy competing with communism. And so he says, well, the white population in the United States leadership, we're very conscious of the representation of democracy, and if the world looked at us, these third world countries looked at us, and saw how we treated its black citizens, african-americans, perhaps they would be persuaded by communism, would be attracted to communism that much more.

Dr. Andre Archie: 18:35

And so Derek Bell says well, essentially, that decision wasn't done because of the kind-heartedness and the fact that the majority of whites had evolved in terms of their racial points of view. It was simply instrumental, was simply to placate the representation of democracy in terms of how blacks should be seen and the fact that the white majority wanted to keep blacks connected to the system and to at least give them some semblance of hope, as opposed to completely despairing that their condition would ever get better. So Derek Bell, with this idea of interest convergence, is completely skeptical in terms of any sort of advancement and the reasons for advancement or why white people would allow blacks to advance. He simply says it's only possible for blacks to advance if it serves the interest of the white majority. So hopefully that makes sense. I mean I can say more about that.

Mr. Webb: 19:44

So we've talked a little about DEI and CRT, and this podcast is the conservative classroom, so the target audience here, most of my listeners, are teachers and parents. So how is DEI and CRT? How is it harmful to students, whether it's K through 12 education or whether it's at the college level?

Dr. Andre Archie: 20:19

Well, it's very harmful because the assumption of both diversity, equity and inclusion and critical race theory. They're both harmful because what it assumes is that there are victims and victimizers. The victims tend to be people of color, african Americans in particular, and victimizers white people. And so that's the assumption. You look at the literature, that's the assumption, and so you have a case, and I talk about this case. There was a case in New York at the Filston School private school. The I think it was the lower school principle divided the kids into groups according to their perceived privilege. So you had white kids, hispanic kids, black kids, and they would have to talk about privilege and how they might be privileged compared to some of their classmates. But I mean, you can imagine, I mean this is just despicable. I mean she was later let go, but it's that mentality in which we put individuals and not just individuals.

Dr. Andre Archie: 21:30

We're talking about kids. In this case we're talking about young kids. That's quite abusive psychologically. It's very dangerous at that level, at the primary level. But if you talk about middle school and high school, you get the same sort of mentality.

Dr. Andre Archie: 21:47

They're being taught that America is systemically racist, no matter what you do, as a person of color or as an African American, you're not going to succeed, or if you do succeed, it's because white people let you succeed and so really, you have no agency. And so this is not only dangerous and debilitating for people of color, for African Americans, but for white Americans who are well-intentioned. What are they supposed to do? They might not even be aware of the fact that they're racist. Right, that's what Ibram X, as Kendi, argues. He says that white people aren't even aware that through their daily actions, they're subordinating people of color, and so it's dangerous because DEI and CRT.

Dr. Andre Archie: 22:42

They're dangerous because it's an ideology that reduces everything to race and power dynamics. It says the typical or the nuclear family formation is a white construct. It demeans religion, because religion is socially constructed to subordinate or to have blacks or people of color subordinate to whites, and so it's a reductionist philosophy that equates our cherished institutions, our civic organizations. All of that is reduced to race and the power dynamics that they claim subordinate blacks to, and so that's why it's dangerous. It's very dangerous.

Dr. Andre Archie: 23:36

And, to top it all off, they disregard American founding principles, and so they don't want people to be treated equal before the law. They want to discriminate. Positive discrimination is what they call it. They want to discriminate for the sake of correcting perceived past wrongs, and so when you have that philosophy and you have the sort of power that people like Kendi have, it becomes all the more dangerous because children, both at the elementary and the secondary level students, are being taught this, and I mean, if you're taught this at a very young age, you're not critical enough to question it, so it becomes a natural for them in terms of assumptions, and so that's why it's dangerous.

Mr. Webb: 24:30

And I'm not sure if you've read the book Brutal Minds by Dr Stanley Ridgely. I haven't. I had him on the podcast and his book is about, excuse me, dei and CRT at the college level how the universities are brainwashing students into this thought process. So if we want to call that brainwashing, that's OK. What's the motive behind this brainwashing Like? It seems to me like if we could just all say that we're equals and get along and get on with our lives, it seems to me like we would all be better off. So I can't stand the. I can't understand the motive behind wanting to push DEI and CRT.

Dr. Andre Archie: 25:27

Well, I think it has a lot to do with power, and I think you have some true believers who really disdain America and what it stands for. So let's take those who are interested in power. I think there's a certain you know, if you're given a budget and you have certain timetables in terms of promoting DEI or critical race theory, in terms of, let's say, certain types of faculty typically faculty of color or other positions in which we have a designated role for that person to play, but it has to be played by a particular ethnic group. So I think when you have money, when you have a budget behind those sorts of goals and timetables, it feeds itself, and so you have those who want to be a part of that. And so I think there's a power dynamic there and also that those goals and timetables are attached to certain incentives. And so I know, for example, here locally at our liberal arts college here locally in Colorado, a very good liberal arts college actually. They're an anti-racism institution and they make it explicit that they have goals and timetables and there are penalties for faculty who fail to reflect these goals and timetables in terms of race and ethnicity they get. They're penalized in terms of their pay in terms of recognition, and so there's a whole sort of institutional apparatus behind the promotion of DEI and anti-racism.

Dr. Andre Archie: 27:19

The other group are true believers. I think that they truly feel as if America is not worth saving, or at least it needs to be radically reformed. And these people typically tend to be opposed to religion, they're opposed to merit, they're opposed to the nuclear family, they're opposed to all of the traditional institutions that we've taken for granted in the past and that are being questioned now. But we took for granted in the past and those institutions weren't perfect, of course not. But we have the ability as a country and again, I think it's because of those founding principles we have the ability to reform, to get better, not reform radically the institutions that we take for granted, but to recognize that there are certain limitations and deficiencies, and so I think we've done a heck of a job with those sorts of reforms.

Dr. Andre Archie: 28:23

But this group that there are true believers. I mean we have to figure out how to deal with them, and I think the best way to do it is to, first of all, we need to outlaw CRT DEI. I think we need to monitor it. If we can't exactly outlaw it, I think lawsuits need to be initiated left and right in order to push back against these ideologies that really have the potential of dividing Americans in a way that perhaps could be violent.

Mr. Webb: 28:56

Right. At the very least the government maybe should say if you're a university and you are pushing these divisive ideologies, then we're going to withhold funding from you, so you can do that without quote unquote outlawing it, and the money and the power that's a pretty big motivator there.

Dr. Andre Archie: 29:22

That's right and we can do that, and DeSantis has done some of this in Florida. That can be done, and for the most part in red states and with public institutions. But the problem is with these private institutions that have huge endowments, and you can imagine who I'm speaking about. I mean, you take the Ivy League first of all, but you have these other institutions that are pretty high up on the pecking order. How do we check those institutions? That's the issue. I think that's pressing and I wanted to vote more time to that in my scholarship, because I think that's where the issue is. The public universities, we can hold them accountable in terms of funding, but with private institutions Ivy Leagues, top liberal arts colleges that's a bit more difficult. But I think it's those other institutions that are quite influential in terms of these pernicious racial ideologies.

Mr. Webb: 30:27

So let me ask you a question specifically as an African American In your view, does systemic racism exist? Or if you put your nose to the grindstone and you work hard, can you make it in America. Can you speak to that for me?

Dr. Andre Archie: 30:47

Yeah, I do not think America is systemically racist. I don't. I think that I'm not going to give you a particular date, but I think 1954, the Civil Rights Act I think that was very influential. We started to see certain trends in terms of the middle class. I think there was a setback, if you will, in terms of the great society, but I won't get into that. But ultimately, I think that, as you say, if you work hard, you follow the success sequence. I think your chances are pretty good that you're not going to be a billionaire. Perhaps you will. I mean, I think those cases are exceptional, but you're going to be happy. You're going to be happy, but you know what it takes.

Dr. Andre Archie: 31:32

What's most important that we don't talk about is the family, and I think that and I have a chapter on this in the book the Virtue of Colorblindness but the family is at the root of so many of the racial issues that we're dealing with, particularly the African-American family.

Dr. Andre Archie: 31:48

And I speak to this in a way that's empathetic but still yet critical, because I think many of the issues that are instrumental in terms of pushing DEI and critical race theory and anti-racism is the fact that many black families are broken, and so when you have families that are broken, the young they're reaching out, they're yearning for a sense of self, for a sense of wholeness, and, unfortunately, a lot of African-American young people latch on to affinity groups, these racial ideologies or gangs, and so I think that if we could address some of the issues that we find in the African-American family and we're starting to see this in other white working class communities but if we can address some of those familial issues, I think a lot of these racial ideologies they're still gonna be out there, but there's not gonna be any anyone, or very few, who are attracted to them, because I really do think it speaks to, if you will, an emptiness.

Dr. Andre Archie: 33:08

And so I think the family has to be discussed in this context, because it's a driver in terms of why people are receptive to these divisive ways of thinking.

Mr. Webb: 33:24

And when you mentioned the broken families, are you talking about the single mothers?

Dr. Andre Archie: 33:32

Exactly single mothers, the lack of a.

Mr. Webb: 33:34

Missing anything there is that mainly it Just no father in the home.

Dr. Andre Archie: 33:39

I think that's mainly it for black males. And here I'm referring to the research of Brad Wilcox at the University of Virginia, the Marriage Project, and he's done many studies. He cites studies. There are other studies that indicate that for African-Americans, without a father is really decisive in terms of flourishing, and the research shows that young black women, of course they're affected by a lack of a father, but it's the mother that's instrumental for young black women, but it's the father, in particular as it relates to black males, that are instrumental. And even Raj Chetty at Stanford I'm forgetting where Raj is, but an academic, he's done some research and he points out that even in communities where you have an absence of fathers, you have more delinquency and crime and suspension from school.

Dr. Andre Archie: 34:45

And so if you have a home without a father because not all families I mean, there are issues that my parents got divorced when I was young, but if you're in a community that's not a father. So now I was young. But if you're in a community that at least consists of fathers proportionately is instrumental. So I do think that it's fatherlessness in the home that is instrumental for a lot of ills that we experience and which leads to the receptiveness, I think to a lot of these racial ideologies among the young.

Mr. Webb: 35:27

And switching gears just a little bit. Your book just came out, January 2nd. Is that right? Yes, that's right, that's right. So it's brand new. Why should teachers and parents, educators, college students, why should they check out your book?

Dr. Andre Archie: 35:52

I think it's important that they read my book because it points away forward. A lot of conservatives can be skeptical, can be not as optimistic, if you will, and I understand that, but I think my book charts a nice balance between that skepticism and optimism, and so I try to give arguments that are accessible to anyone who is open-minded but who is dismayed by what they're hearing in their children's classrooms, what they're hearing on seeing or hearing on social media, and I try to give a story or tell a story regarding why, as Americans, we are exceptional. What is it about our principles that connect us with the Western philosophical tradition? What was it that Thomas Jefferson saw and read that led to that famous second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence? So I try to tell that story within the context of the abolitionists, frederick Douglass in particular, and how that anticipates Dr Martin Luther King and his work and the celebration of liberty and freedom that we should all take for granted and take joy, if you will, in our God-given rights to live flourishing lives, and so all of that is sort of a roadmap, if you will. I'd like to think of it as sort of a roadmap, and I think all of that is laid out in my book in a way that will be helpful.

Dr. Andre Archie: 37:43

And, first and foremost, there's a chapter that basically says it's titled Comfortable Racism, and so I don't want us to become satisfied with this idea that we need to discriminate to stop discrimination. I refer to that as a type of comfortable racism. We just throw our hands up and we say, fine, let's learn about the past, let's correct for it, even if that means discriminating against other people. I argue against that in a way that is personal but also intellectual. So, again, the book is a roadmap, if you will, it will help others to see and to articulate a vision that is more uniting as opposed to divisive.

Dr. Andre Archie: 38:35

And, last but not least, I emphasize over and over again that we have to speak up. That's the key. We need to speak up because people congratulate me. They say, wow, you're brave. But I can't be the only one, because there's nothing particularly special about me. Everyone has to speak up and tell the truth because we all notice, if we notice. We need to speak up and tell the truth because who gets affected? It affects our children, what they're learning, it affects our country and it even affects our sense of self. So the virtue of color blindness. It was published on the second. It's widely available and I hope your readers enjoy it.

Mr. Webb: 39:16

And I'm looking forward to reading it myself. I know it just came out, but have you faced any blowback from your liberal university colleagues or from the black community?

Dr. Andre Archie: 39:31

Not yet. Not yet, but I'm sort of girding myself for some of that. My institution is quite committed to free speech and I appreciate that my department is committed to free speech. I'm a professional, I love teaching, I love my students. I teach at my alma mater, colorado State University, so I haven't received any negative feedback. Perhaps I will. No doubt I will, I would think, at least from my university. It will be sort of a friendly challenging of my position, which is fine. I think that's great In terms of the black community. I've gotten a lot of thank yous and then, of course, I've gotten the opposite, but nothing extreme. So hopefully I'll have a job when I go back next semester.

Mr. Webb: 40:27

And what's the one thing you want the listener to remember, if they don't remember anything else about this episode?

Dr. Andre Archie: 40:36

I would say the one thing would be if you work hard and you play by the rules, you can be successful. Now, that bothers a lot of people because they don't feel that way, but I truly believe in my heart If you work hard, you play by the rules, you will be successful. Now, success is defined differently by different people, but I would say a flourishing life consists of that success sequence, and by following that success sequence, I think anyone can achieve what it is they set out to achieve, within limits, of course, and so the takeaway is our system works. We have amazing principles that continue to animate our daily lives, and I would encourage people to remember that, to remember that, that our country works.

Mr. Webb: 41:37

And I would encourage everyone to check out your book. I think work hard and play by the rules and you'll be successful. By the way, I think that is a wonderful. I wrote that down because I didn't want to forget it. I thought that's a great advice. But anyway, I want folks to check out your book. I will include a link. I'm an Amazon affiliate so I can include a link. So if they're listening to this podcast and they want to check out your book, they can just go right to the show notes, click on the link and purchase their very own copy of the book. You'll be helping out Dr Archie and you'll be helping out the conservative classroom. And is there anything that you want to promote or plug? This is your time to promote social media, any upcoming projects, future books or past books. Anything you want to promote. This is your time to do that.

Dr. Andre Archie: 42:29

I would just say, first and foremost, I encourage everyone to go out and purchase my book, the Virtue of Colorblindness. I put a lot of work into it. I think it's quite engaging. So that first and foremost. But I would also recommend that you look at some of my previous work. You can find that National Review, modern Age, other publications, but to get a sense of my train of thought, because a lot of that is captured in this book that was just published, so acquaint yourself with my previous work, perhaps both academically and some of the pieces that I've written for other publications like National Review. But again, first and foremost, please read closely the Virtue of Colorblindness, my latest book.

Mr. Webb: 43:24

And I'd love to have you back on the podcast once I've got a chance to read the book and once the book's been out there a while, maybe you can come back and tell us how things are going Well?

Dr. Andre Archie: 43:35

I'd love to. I mean, you've asked great questions. I mean it's really helpful to sort of get me to think about the topics I've covered, and so I appreciate your questions.

Mr. Webb: 43:46

It's been fun, thank you. I've certainly enjoyed it and I know my listeners appreciate your insight and things that you've taught us today about diversity, equity, inclusion, crt. We talked about systemic race. We covered a lot of topics, right Right, but at the same time we just scratched the surface of this very important subject. So thank you so much for coming on.

Dr. Andre Archie: 44:13

Thank you, joey, I appreciate it.

Mr. Webb: 44:17

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Mr. Webb: 44:54

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