Mr. Webb: 0:00

If you ever wondered if your smartphone is listening to your private conversations. How comfortable are you knowing that big tech could be shaping what information you see, especially on hot button conservative topics? Are you concerned about the digital tools your children are using in school? Welcome to The Conservative Classroom, where we're teaching the truth and preserving our values. I'm your host, Mr. Webb, and I'm glad you're here.

Mr. Webb: 0:32

This podcast is a haven for conservative educators, parents and patriots like you, who believe in the importance of free speech, traditional values and education without indoctrination. Each week, we dive into issues that are plaguing our education system and keeping you up at night. In each episode, we offer common sense ideas to improve education in our classrooms and communities. You may feel like you're the last conservative educator or parent, but I want you to know that you are not alone. By the way, if you like what you hear today, please share this podcast with a like-minded educator, parent or patriot. Together, we can teach the truth and preserve our values. In today's episode, we're talking to an entrepreneur and tech expert who shares with us what he learned by working behind the scenes about how big tech is listening to our conversations and suppressing conservative ideas. Now let's get started, Excited to welcome a special guest to the Conservative Classroom, Sean Patrick Tario. Sean is co-founder of Mark37.com and he's here to discuss some digital dangers and online privacy issues facing students, teachers and parents. Sean, thank you for joining us.

Sean Patrick Tario: 2:02

Joe, I'm thrilled to be here and I appreciate what you do and looking forward to the conversation.

Mr. Webb: 2:08

Appreciate it, and I should probably add that not only are you here to talk about some online privacy issues, but your solution, what you've come up with. So, to start, can you tell us a bit about yourself, your background and what led you to co-founding Mark37.com?

Sean Patrick Tario: 2:27

Sure. So I have a very deep technology background and used to work for various different data center hosting, network and security companies and was trained early on in my life through my parents and other family members to always follow the money. And if you can follow the money and look at who has ownership and it's not always the executives in a company, but if you look at who has the equity ownership of a business, you can learn what the ethos of those people is. You can start to see and predict how certain companies are going to act and react in the marketplace. So with that as a backdrop and understanding, I became an entrepreneur at a very young age, when I was in college in the Bay Area in 98 to 02 and really just started following the money of the technology companies and venture capital and private equity in that marketplace of the Bay Area and tech and realized that the vast majority of that money was not aligned with our conservative values. In fact they were the opposite. They were specifically trying to censor and prevent conservative content from propagating and spreading both in the country and globally. But that's probably another conversation for another time. So with that as the backdrop, I worked for a variety of different technology companies. I started learning how the game was played, how the money was being made, who owned these organizations and what their ethos was and is, and it became very clear to me that conservatives were going to be removed from existing online, both on social networks, social platforms, as well as just websites. And I was preaching this to as many people as would hear me probably from around 2012 on, and very few people would listen to me. I've been called the conspiracy theorist for the most part my whole life, so it was no wonder that people continued to call me so, because they would say, sean, this is America. We have the freedom of speech in America. Companies just can't kick you off of their websites, their hosting platforms, just because you're a conservative. They can't do that. It's a violation of the terms of service that they have with you as a customer. And I said just you wait and watch. This is going to happen. They're going to create whatever reason they can think of and claim it's a violation of their terms of service, or they may not even tell you why they kicked you off, but it's going to happen. And sure enough. As you may recall, there was a company called Parler. That was a social network that existed, that was removed from Amazon Web Services right after January 6th, and that was really the red herring event for most conservatives where they said holy smokes, this is happening. You were right. What do we do?

Sean Patrick Tario: 5:24

And so, with my background in the data center industry as a consultant and a outdoor CTO and helping literally hundreds of companies find homes for data centers around the world, and also knowing the players I also had a podcast called I Love Data Centers, and I was interviewing the owners of these different technology companies and big infrastructure providers, so I knew who the players were. I knew where they leaned politically I started calling them up saying hey, guys, we need to create an infrastructure platform that will be uncancelable, and most of the response I got from people was Sean, that's I feel you. I'm behind you. However, google and Microsoft and Apple and Twitter and Microsoft they're all clients of ours and if they find out that I'm supporting you in this cause, we're likely going to lose them as customers, and I can't do this because I'm beholden to my shareholders and yada, yada, yada, yada. You know all these different excuses as to why they couldn't assist. However, we were successful in getting it stood up and, sure enough, that company ended up becoming the home for a lot of conservative content, as they were getting kicked off of Google and Microsoft and Amazon web services and GoDaddy and all kinds of other different hosting companies. So I built a network of different infrastructure providers that were willing to host this content.

Sean Patrick Tario: 6:53

And then, me being an entrepreneur, my brain moves on to the next problem set to solve, and so I started looking at our devices and saying, look, we have devices that we carry around with us everywhere all the time and they're listening to everything we say, they're watching everything we do, they're tracking all of our movements, every app we open, how much time we spend on these applications, and all of this data is being fed into this massive database that is shared not only across all these big tech companies but with our government agencies. So each one of us, joey, has a profile and they have all of our information. They know everything we've bought, they know every email we've sent, every text message we've sent, who we sent it to, they know the type of language that we use and our correspondence, and they become very sophisticated and very smart and if you look at it from a marketing perspective, it's brilliant because they know exactly what trigger words to say to make you spend a little bit more time on a social network so that they can push more advertising in front of you, or if they hear you talking about a product, which I'm sure you and your audience have probably come across. A moment where you've talked about something and then, sure enough, hours later, if not the next day, you saw an ad for that online and you're thinking yourself how the heck did it know that I was looking at or interested in buying this thing? That's because the devices are listening.

Sean Patrick Tario: 8:25

So we went about trying to solve for that problem set, which is really, how do we have devices phones, laptops, computers that are not listening and tracking everything we're doing? And, not surprisingly, these solutions are already in the marketplace. It's all open source technology no-transcript People been using for many, many years with the concept of Linux. I don't know if you or your listeners have heard of Linux, but Linux is an open source operating system for laptops and computers that's been around for decades and has literally hundreds of millions of people around the world that use it on a regular basis. In fact, 75% of businesses use open source Linux for the servers that run their business, because they want full access and control to the technology that stores the data that runs their business. They don't want to give Microsoft or Apple or Google or any other company access to the core operating system and infrastructure that runs their business.

Sean Patrick Tario: 9:27

So really, all we've done is packaged solutions for consumers that is, running open source technology that gives them power, them control, so that when they turn off their microphone on their computer or on their mobile phone, it's off. It's not listening to your conversations, it's not tracking your movements, it's not tracking everything that you're doing. So I spend the majority of my time educating, traveling the country, training groups of people about exactly how Big Tech has gone about positioning themselves to be the aggregation behemoth that it is of all of our data, and trying to get people to become more aware of it, because once you're aware of the problem, you can do something about the problem. But most people are clueless and oblivious to exactly how these technology devices work, and I truly think that that's by design. They want to keep us ignorant so that we're not aware of exactly how they're exploiting us on a regular basis. It's my short way of answering where did I come from and what have I got to do?

Mr. Webb: 10:36

Well, there's so much in what you said and going back to one thing that I have experienced and my family members and friends and we've had conversations on it that our phones are listening. Because, yes, that has happened many times where we'll be talking about something and then see an ad for that, and if it happens once, it could be a coincidence. Actually, last week I can't remember what it was I was just thinking about something and then there was an ad that popped up. So that obviously was a coincidence. You know, if it happens once it's a coincidence, but when it happens over and over and over, you know you're having conversations and an ad pops up later for that very thing.

Mr. Webb: 11:21

So I didn't have proof, I didn't know for sure, but I suspected that that our devices are listening to us. But just as a human, you know, that kind of bothers me. But as a parent and a teacher, that really concerns me. Because what in your opinion and you know a lot, you know behind the scenes, you've looked at this a lot. You've come up with some solutions for it what kind of dangers does that and maybe dangers is a harsh word, but what kind of danger does that put our children in?

Sean Patrick Tario: 11:59

No, it's totally a danger. So I'm sure, at nearly every school right now, students at a very young age are given Chromebooks, they're given laptops, they're either Apple or Google right, and they're given access to all these different applications that they can do shared work online and whatnot. And the reality is they are told the schools are told that the data that's being aggregated from the student is not going to be sold, it's not going to be stored anywhere. None of this. However, if you just do some basic research online, you can see that Google and Microsoft and Apple have lost numerous lawsuits, not just in the United States but globally, because they are aggregating and storing this data and keeping this data. So Big Tech is creating a profile on your kindergarten or on your first grader, your second grader, the second they start to use these devices and these tools because they know this name of this student is attached to this social security number, is now going to be using this device. So they're starting to track the words that they use, what they're writing, where they're searching, what they're searching for online.

Sean Patrick Tario: 13:17

All of this is being aggregated and tracked and it's creating the surveillance state and it's effectively trying to normalize this intrusive behavior into our lives at a very young age and many people will say, oh well, you know my students not doing anything wrong, so they're not saying anything crazy. So so what right? And the response to that is very simple to say that our digital privacy does not matter because we have nothing, you know, inflammatory. That we're planning on doing or saying is no different than saying our freedom of speech does not matter because we're not planning on offending anybody. Our second amendment doesn't matter because we're not planning on shooting anybody. That's a good point.

Sean Patrick Tario: 14:05

The reality is, all of this does matter, and the more we allow these companies access to everything that is happening in our lives and aggregating all this data, they use it as precedent in future cases, so that, for example, at&t is now suing a county that has said we do not want any of your 5G towers in our county, and AT&T is going to the federal government and saying you have to allow us to go into this county to deliver because there's already precedent being set that it's been deployed in other areas. So the more we allow for this data aggregation and data mining and centralization of all this content, the more it becomes a precedent that is being used against us so that they can eventually say well, you have to put this camera outside your door or you have to start using certain tools and applications that will monitor and track everything you're doing so that they can start enforcing things like a social credit score or a central bank, digital currency or all of these things. So people just have to be aware of all of this stuff that's happening, but really they have to start understanding how this stuff works and what the ethos and the mindset is behind it. And I don't know if you've talked about this on your show or not, but my kids, who are now homeschooled, but when they weren't, were in a classroom and they were on a laptop and they were using the Google app to write a paper and it started making suggestions.

Sean Patrick Tario: 15:47

Well, we don't think you should use this word because this word might be offensive to someone, or you might want to rethink using this phraseology because it might be offensive to someone. Have you ever heard of that or seen that happen? I haven't seen that happen, but that's happening now on Google Docs and Microsoft Documents, as you're starting to write, and even now in emails that you're crafting with Gmail and other applications, they're starting to say, mm, we don't have to use this word. We highly recommend that you don't use this term and the email you're about to send, because it might be offensive.

Mr. Webb: 16:21

I've seen suggestions pop up, but not because it might be offensive. So you know I've got no problem with grammar corrections, right. But Right.

Mr. Webb: 16:34

We need it. We only have it. That's a little beyond that. That's a little scary. Pretty conservative school district. I've said that a lot on the podcast and I'm very thankful for that. But I know there's lots of teachers in districts that there's more indoctrinating going on, and when you think about that, and then you think about what you just said that students could be on their Chromebook at home doing an assignment and a suggestion pop up Maybe you shouldn't use this phrase. That's just that that weirds me out a little bit.

Sean Patrick Tario: 17:14

Yeah, especially as you look at. I mean, I don't know if you've seen the news lately, but Google's AI was just, you know, released and put in a hot spot because they were asking it very simple things like can you show us some, some of the founding fathers? And all the results were African-Americans and Native Americans and whatnot like Clearly not founding fathers. I mean, the reality is, our founding fathers were, you know, white dudes. Right, it just is. But they said, well, that's strange, and they started asking it other questions like List the presidents of the United States, and Donald Trump is literally not even listed as the 25th president of the United States. Joe Biden is listed as the 25th president of the United States, and it makes you question, really wonder, wait a second.

Sean Patrick Tario: 18:04

We're led to believe that this is quote-unquote artificial intelligence, but really it's just a software program and it's programmed to Give you a certain type of response and it has parameters within that type of response. So these algorithms that are being created have a very clear bias, and this goes back to the very first thing that I was talking about, where you start to look at who owns and runs these businesses that are providing these technologies and tools to not just our kids, but the parents and the teachers and Society, and you start to realize well duh, if their agenda is to dumb down the population and to push out a very specific narrative to the population so that they don't think or understand anything else is possibly true, and they're straight up lying to you about these things. It becomes very frightening very quickly and unfortunately that's the paradigm we live in.

Mr. Webb: 19:06

So I feel like we could do a whole podcast episode about AI, because that's yeah, it's so, it's new and there's not a lot known about it in the general public. You mentioned earlier and this is something I was going to bring up how Chromebooks, laptops, macbooks and even phones are used in school and that's so widespread now and given the widespread use of that, do you think that's one reason that home schooling keeps seems to be a growing trend?

Sean Patrick Tario: 19:45

Potentially. I mean I remember back in the day I used if I needed to do a research paper on something, I had to go to the library, I had to do some my own reading, I had to look into the topic and research it, you know, by reading books and magazines and articles and micro fish and Stuff like that, dating myself here and then I had to have, I had to type it out or write it out. I had a typewriter back in the day I mean I'm 43 but I was still. I remember first, second, third grade was still using a typewriter to write reports. Today All I have to do is go into one of these systems and say write me a two-page report on sharks that has written in the. You know that would seem like a third grader or second grader would write and Kicks out the whole thing for me. So I can't even fathom what it must be like to be a teacher right now With kids who have access to this type of technology when they really don't have to think about much of anything other than trying to program and speak to these learning language models to do all the work for them. So you know, with us homeschooling our kids, it was, in part it was seeing that coming down the road. In Part it was realizing that our kids were not learning the basic fundamental stuff that they needed to learn.

Sean Patrick Tario: 21:09

You know, we're in upstate South Carolina, also in a very conservative district, but my son, who's in fifth grade, came home one day and he's like half of my class does not speak English because they're Ukrainian or Eastern European. We've had a huge, massive influx of folks come in from those areas, which is fine. But back in the day when I was going to school, we had Learning, but we had English as a sec, esl classes, english as a second language classes for those kids so that they could Learn, get up to speed first before they were dropped in classroom with everyone else. And that's a problem because my son was saying we literally spent half the day Just trying to translate things for these kids, so they're not actually learning and moving forward with the curriculum. They're super far behind because the teacher doesn't have the resources to be able to address the kids who speak a different language. So the kids who do speak English Are sidebarred and hamstrung and not learning what they need to be learning in that process.

Sean Patrick Tario: 22:14

So there's many reasons why we used to live out of the Raleigh North Carolina area and we pulled our kids out from there. That's a whole other fun story that we could probably do a whole podcast on. But we started homeschooling and then we moved here to the upstate when we found some really great schools, super well-intentioned people in fact. My wife tried to run for school board and she just nearly lost In a recent election up here. But it's it's so many reasons.

Sean Patrick Tario: 22:44

We just we fundamentally believe that the schools are at every turn Hamstrung from actually trying to serve the kids, not saying that the teachers are not trying their best and that most teachers are Not trying their best to serve these kids. They just don't have the resources and the tools to be as successful as they need to be, and I Fundamentally believe it's by design, just like I believe the technology by design is keeping people Uninformed and stupid. I think the system is intentionally designed To keep our youth uninformed and not knowledgeable about some of the most basic, fundamental things that we need to know about as Americans and humans and citizens.

Mr. Webb: 23:25

Right, I've been thinking recently about doing an episode on the dumbing down of America and you just see that in so many different, there's so many different aspects to that. But before we leave the classroom and talking about technology in the classroom On my podcast, I try not to just bring up issues or problems but try to present solutions, you know when I can. So what can educators and parents and maybe parents at homeschool, I don't know what can they do to mitigate some of the risks of using Chromebooks and laptops?

Sean Patrick Tario: 24:12

Well, a lot of those decisions, as I know you know, are outside the purview of the teachers. Right, it goes up the chain and up the chain and up the chain. So what if I was an administrator or a teacher in a classroom? I would force my kids to write papers that they had to handwrite or use a typewriter, work on their penmanship in the process, because the penmanship for most kids coming out of school these days is atrocious, absolutely atrocious. So by doing so, you know that at least they had to write this stuff out and go into a library, use sources that you know are materials that are in the library and teach kids how to learn.

Sean Patrick Tario: 24:56

I think, fundamentally, we're not doing that anymore.

Sean Patrick Tario: 24:59

We're not teaching kids how to learn things.

Sean Patrick Tario: 25:02

We're teaching them how to basically get technology to give them the answers for them just to go in their browser and search for something and that kicks them back the answer immediately and they don't even have to do much of the work anymore.

Sean Patrick Tario: 25:14

So getting technology just out of their life entirely, I think is extremely important. You know, I'm in the world of tech, this is my day job and I love doing what I do educating and working with people on the front lines of the war that we're in on how to get off of these big tech devices and to regain control of their digital sovereignty. I'm telling you, man, if I could ditch all this tech and just go out in my garden and ground and work on my property, that's what I'd be spending my time doing. And what we do with our kids is we don't let them use devices the vast majority of the day. We want them specifically focused on learning how to learn, learning how to write clearly and speak clearly and convey thoughts clearly, not just in a paper, but in conversation. So I don't know if I answered your question, but that's my short rant on that topic.

Mr. Webb: 26:11

Yeah, and one thing that stood out there is how maybe they should write papers like pen and paper. Yeah, just, I'll bet it wasn't a week ago. I learned that when students there was a study done. I wish I had known we were going this direction. I would have the sources handy. But there was a study done that the act of when we write pencil to paper, each letter that we make, that is a specialized movement and it connects in our brain so that meanings of words, that's one way that we learn. But when we type every letter in every word, is the same movement. We're just flicking our fingers and I had never thought about that, but I thought well, maybe that explains why it seems like students struggle to learn so much, because they're a lot of times when they're taking notes it's on a computer instead of writing it down. And don't even get me started about how students don't know and can't read cursive. Why did we stop doing that? I mean they can't even read the first things.

Sean Patrick Tario: 27:35

They can't even read the signatures.

Mr. Webb: 27:37

You know the founding fathers, although some of those you can't read anyway.

Sean Patrick Tario: 27:41

Yeah, right, I bet you could hardly read my signature, to be honest with you.

Sean Patrick Tario: 27:48

Yeah, but the technology in the classroom is just frightening.

Sean Patrick Tario: 27:50

I think COVID was actually this brought this to the forefront because they were forcing young kids to sit in front of their laptop all day, every day.

Sean Patrick Tario: 28:00

And we had a close friend of ours that came over while my I think he was in second grade at the time, my fifth grade was in second grade, third grade, and my daughter, who's just a couple of years older, was also in front of a computer all day, every day, and she was getting her PhD in pediatric education, child education, and she said this is absolutely bonkers, what they're forcing these kids to do. We don't even take, she said. In her class they didn't even go more than 20 minutes every two hours in front of a screen, because all the studies have proven that your retention of content drops off a cliff after that 20 minutes. So to expect second graders, third graders, fourth graders, fifth graders to have any kind of attention span in front of these devices, where they hardly even know how they work in the first place, is just ugh. It's sad at the end of the day is what it is. What happened to our kids over that two, two and a half three year span during COVID?

Mr. Webb: 29:10

Is there a in your opinion, what's a way that we can actually leverage technology our favor for learning, whether it's homeschooling or just, you know, helping our kids learn in a way that's safe?

Sean Patrick Tario: 29:31

So I mean, let's look at something like a calculator. Right, a calculator is technology. It's a very dumb, dumb device, but it's tech, right? Do you allow students to use calculators always all the time? No, no, right. When you're learning your fundamental basics of multiplication, do you just put a calculator in front of the student and say, hey, don't bother trying to memorize, you know what eight times eight is. You can just type it in here and figure it out.

Sean Patrick Tario: 30:05

So we have to realize that technology is a tool Again. It can be used for good and it can be used for evil, and there's an appropriate time to introduce technology into the classroom. It can make things very interesting and very much easier. There's lots of geography classes and experiences that you can go through with technology. Even with virtual headsets, you can go back into a time frame and like literally be in an era and walk around and check out things right. So there's a time and a place for tech.

Sean Patrick Tario: 30:43

But when technology is being exploited, it's not only exploiting our kids, but it's being exploited by our kids to make things so simple and easy for them that they're bypassing, they're kind of jumping over some core, fundamental learning experiences that have to be To be had for them to be free thinking humans down the road. That's where things get scary. So I think teachers have to do. They're in a very tough position. I mean, not only you all underpaid, exponentially underpaid than you should be, but you're given classrooms full of kids that are, you know, probably too many kids in the classroom and you're dealing with issues like what my son was dealing with, where you've got rowdy kids that you have to pay attention to and get them on track. That's distracting from everyone else. But then you also have now all this tech that's being introduced. So I don't envy the position that any of y'all are in, but I do think that you have to just be smarter about how kids are using these tools so that you can just make a hard line decision and say you know what, we're just not going to use them.

Sean Patrick Tario: 31:55

And my daughter actually, before we pulled her out to homeschool earlier this year or last year, she had a professor, her history professor. He refused to let any technology in the classroom, refused to use any technology, and that was her favorite class, you know, funny enough, and it was actually most students favorite class. So there's totally a way to do it. I mean, this is how it was. You know, things were done for decades, millennia, prior to the last couple couple years, like 10, 12 years ago, right? So it's not that it can't be done. People just have to relearn how to do it.

Mr. Webb: 32:36

Moving out of the classroom, because this is. This is something I wanted to talk to you about, because you you're probably more knowledgeable on this than anybody that I've talked to, and that's ghost electronics. I hadn't even heard that term until recently, and you're involved in something called the ghost phone, am I right?

Sean Patrick Tario: 32:59

Yes. Ghost phone, ghost laptop, ghost tablet yeah.

Mr. Webb: 33:03

So for folks like me who hadn't heard that term, what? What is a ghost phone? What is ghost electronics and how can it benefit parents?

Sean Patrick Tario: 33:16

So the key is back to what we were talking about before reclaiming your data, and this is simple. Basic example is this there's an application that we preload onto our devices and it's called magic earth and it's a mapping application. So you can still type in an address and it can give you different routes and directions. You can basically find how long it's going to take to get from point A to point B. You can find businesses, you can do all kinds of fun stuff. You can look at what the satellite imagery would look like in that area. All kinds of stuff on it, right. But the key difference to how this application works relative to something like Google Maps or Waze or whatever the iPhone equivalent is to those things, is that all of that processing and that search and all of that information when you type in that address is done on the device. It's not sent to the cloud, somewhere to Google servers, saying, hey, I'm trying to get to this address so that Google can say, well, what can we sell to this person along the way? And tracking and recording the route that you've taken and where you're going.

Sean Patrick Tario: 34:38

So that's just another data point that they can add to your profile so they know where you've gone, what you've done, so by taking control of the device, and the key is the operating system, because the operating system is like the brain for your laptop or your phone, and when you give your phone access to Google and Apple, if you're using an iPhone, apple owns that phone.

Sean Patrick Tario: 35:03

That's Apple's phone. You just have the privilege of using their phone. They can access that device at any point, at any time. And when you sign the user terms of service for that device, you've signed off on Apple having access to that device to watch everything that is going on in that device. Same thing if you're using a Google Android operating system or if you're using a Microsoft Windows operating system or a Mac OS operating system, you're giving access to these big tech companies to control your device. So if you're using any kind of encrypted messaging service or encrypted services, it renders that whole encryption pretty much useless, if I can see what you see on your end of the device. So the first step that people have to fundamentally understand is you need to get these companies off and out of your devices and you can transition over to operating systems that are not owned and operated by companies that do not have your best interests in mind.

Sean Patrick Tario: 36:08

So that's one of the key things from an education perspective with these ghost devices is we're giving you control of the device again. You're regaining control of your device so that when you turn the volume off, the volume is off. When you turn your mic off, it's actually off. It's not just a setting tweak that you do and the operating system on the back end can do all kinds of things that it wants on the back end. And there's all kinds of fun reasons for this which I dig into. If we had another hour, joey, I could talk to you about all the kind of ways that our government, through the, you know, for national security interests and national security reasons, and through the Patriot Act, they basically forced these technology companies to give them backdoor access into all these different devices. So, by using an open source operating system, you're removing them from these devices and it allows you to start the process of regaining control of your data so that they're not monitoring, tracking, watching, listening to every single thing that you're doing.

Mr. Webb: 37:08

There's so many avenues I feel that we could go down, but yeah, what's the one thing you want the listener to remember, if they don't remember anything else about this episode?

Sean Patrick Tario: 37:22

So it's a thought experiment that I really want people to go through.

Sean Patrick Tario: 37:29

I believe fundamentally that we are at war right now and that people are truly trying to subvert and take down our country. And if you believe that we're at war right now which I would say most conservatives probably would raise their hand and say, yep, that's totally happening. And I give you a tool, or I give you a weapon, to go fight that war. And I tell you there's a camera, there's a microphone, there's a GPS tracking device on this weapon that I'm going to give you to go fight in this war. And, by the way, all of the information that's being recorded on this and you can't turn any of that stuff off, by the way, but all the information that's being recorded from this is being fed to the enemy that you're about to go fight. And I'm not really going to train you on how this thing works. I just, you know, you can pull this thing here and it will fire. Try not to shoot yourself or the people around you, just kind of aim it in the enemy direction. Would you use that tool?

Mr. Webb: 38:28

Oh my gosh.

Sean Patrick Tario: 38:30

Of course not right. There's no way you would use that tool, and yet that is exactly 100% what these devices are that people are using. So, for me, knowing the fundamentals of warfare communications is absolutely paramount. And if we are not taking back control of our comms and our communications and we're giving free reign access to the enemy to all of our comms, there's no wonder and it's no wonder to me why we're in the state that we're in. Because they know exactly what we're doing before anything has even happened. They know who we're meeting with, they know the conversations we're having. They know all of it ahead of time. So that thought experiment, which is a very real reality, right, this is reality.

Sean Patrick Tario: 39:20

People need to let that sink in and they need to start asking themselves if I'm going to sit and I'm going to say let's boycott Bud Light's, let's boycott Target, let's boycott Ben and Jerry's, let's boycott Liberty Saves, let's go boycott any and all companies that are a threat to our conservative causes. And yet you're not thinking to yourself. Why am I not boycotting Big Tech? Why am I not boycotting Google, apple, microsoft, amazon these companies that, combined, literally spend trillions of dollars on trying to enslave us and trying to grab all of our information and our data and that are owned by people that do not have our best interests in mind.

Sean Patrick Tario: 40:03

That is the conversation that I think people need to be having and then start exploring alternatives and looking into the people who can give you some alternatives. So that's what I want to leave people with. Is that and I know it's a bombshell that just dropped, but there's so much education and training online that people can find. You can find it at mark37.com. That's one of the websites. If you go to Jeffpro, j-e-f-fpro, that's another great resource, and there's literally hundreds of websites and hundreds of millions of people and growing every day that are in this fight, that are fighting for the same freedoms and civil liberties and unalienable rights that we are.

Mr. Webb: 40:51

And that thought experiment. Yeah, that definitely frames it differently than I've heard it and that made me think, and I'm sure it did our listeners. You said mark37.com. I think I called it mark37.com earlier. I hope you can forgive me for that.

Sean Patrick Tario: 41:08

No, it's okay. There's a reason for I say mark37, because it is from scripture. So if you go to mark37, there's a whole story around that.

Mr. Webb: 41:18

And I'll definitely put a link to mark37.com in the show notes, although that's pretty easy to remember. Before we, before we end, before we wrap things up, can you share? We just mentioned mark37.com Is there a way that can connect with you on social media? Or do you have any projects or any anything else you want to promote? This is your time to plug and promote.

Sean Patrick Tario: 41:47

Sure, I mean you can find us on. So we're on Twitter If you go to mark37,. You'll find us on Twitter If you go to telegram, or on telegram we have a true social account. We have a GAB account. This is really where our socials are.

Sean Patrick Tario: 42:03

I really just want to encourage people to get educated and start taking this stuff seriously. It's just kind of crazy to me and again I go back to COVID because there was lines in the sand that were consistently crossed, whether it was masking or it was forcing people to take an experimental vaccine. It was masking our kids, it was forcing. You know this remote learning stuff. You know, whatever is, at some point there has to be a line of the sand that is crossed where people say enough is enough, I'm done with this. I'm not okay with this.

Sean Patrick Tario: 42:35

I need to start reclaiming and taking control of the things that I have control over, and I want people to know you have control over these devices. We've been brainwashed into thinking our only options are Apple and Google and Microsoft and Amazon. That is not the case, people. There's so many other options that are out there that will empower you. Give you back control of these devices so that you're not a slave to these devices. So we have to raise our hand and acknowledge I'm an addict. I'm addicted to these things and we have to start going through the recovery program.

Sean Patrick Tario: 43:08

And people need to realize that they're not alone, that there are literally hundreds of millions of people, and growing every day, of people who have woken up to this reality and are starting to seek alternatives. So what I dropped? You know mark37.com and Jeffpro, two of many resources. As you start digging down that rabbit hole and reading the different articles that we've written on this topic, you'll start to explore and learn more, and we just really encourage people to do so. It's no different. You know, if you walk into a grocery store and you start to realize that most of the stuff in the grocery store is just processed garbage, that's not healthy for you, maybe you should do something about it. Maybe you should start learning how to grow your own food, finding a different grocery store that sells healthier products. It's a process, it's a journey. You know you don't walk into a karate studio and say I want to be a black belt in the next hour.

Mr. Webb: 44:02

Right.

Sean Patrick Tario: 44:02

It's a process, it's a journey. It takes time, so have patience, but know that it is totally possible to come out the other end of this and have control of your data and be in a much healthier, happier state.

Mr. Webb: 44:18

Sean Patrick Tario. Thank you so much for joining us today, sean. It's been a pleasure having you on The Conservative Classroom and I'm sure our listeners have learned a lot, like I have today, and appreciate your insights on the digital dangers and online privacy and some of the things that go on behind the scenes that we might not have known about until today. So I appreciate it. That's it for today's episode of The Conservative Classroom. Thank you for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed it and learned something. If you liked what you heard, please don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Most importantly, share this podcast with a like-minded educator, parent or patriot. You can also connect with us on social media and share your thoughts on today's topic, give feedback on the podcast or suggest a topic by sending me an email at TheC onservativeC lassroom@ gmail. com. We'd love to hear from you.

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